Curse

crixu91 · Jul 29, 2012, 12:07 AM // 00:07

Hi guys, i'm back after a few years absence. I joined a new guild, started a new character, and since I had some plat laying around from when I left, offered to purchase the guild hall. I can't remember exactly how much it was to purchase a guild hall a few years back, but come on! ~100k for a guild hall?

Sucks for new players excited to form a guild and get their very own guild hall to build up. Don't people think that price is just a little bit absurd?

spun ducky · Jul 29, 2012, 12:43 AM // 00:43

A guild hall use to cost even more by a lot back in the early days. 100k is nothing only 2 hours of fast kieran farming or about 1 doasc run. Hell just plain farming it through valuable mats would only be a few hours.

Mooniez · Jul 29, 2012, 12:44 AM // 00:44

And all the things to furnish your guild hall are expensive as well.
Guild Halls seem to be meant for either small guilds where everyone contributes or large guilds where the guild master feels obligated.

Premium Unleaded · Jul 29, 2012, 01:07 AM // 01:07

GH npcs have always been that price. The difference is that sigils used to be cheap as chips.

Sagittario · Jul 29, 2012, 03:15 AM // 03:15

Sigils used to be 7k once. It's a pity they went up. I suggest you to wait, spend some time in Kamadan a GToB trying to get the best price.

Premium Unleaded · Jul 29, 2012, 03:41 AM // 03:41

They were almost worthless at one time, too

tummlykins · Jul 29, 2012, 07:05 AM // 07:05

I don't understand what caused their sudden rise in price. Is HA really so dead the number of sigils entering the market has decreased so much? Or are the people winning them manipulating the market by hoarding them to increase their value. I can't imagine it's because more people are buying Guild Halls.

afya · Jul 29, 2012, 07:09 AM // 07:09

Last time I checked, there is no sigil for sale from trader in HA. When I check the price on sell tab, I saw 49k in list but when I really press the whatever button, it shown 1k 0.0

Ofc I didn't sell it for 1k, and I doubt anyone would ever sell to that trader.

Missing HB · Jul 29, 2012, 07:41 AM // 07:41

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Originally Posted by tummlykins

I don't understand what caused their sudden rise in price. Is HA really so dead the number of sigils entering the market has decreased so much? Or are the people winning them manipulating the market by hoarding them to increase their value. I can't imagine it's because more people are buying Guild Halls.

That's quite easy :
- Halls wins usually gave 2-3 sigils out of 8 players for a win on average( that's an average, no need to debate on this).
- Halls wins happened more frequently, today i can hardly see more than 5 wins/day on non quest days
- Players usually were instantly selling their sigils to the merchant

Because of that inactivity, a few things are changing
- unlike the ecto, there is hardly a celestial sigil market between players
- the merchant "has less and less sigils"

Thus the price increases

Elnino · Jul 29, 2012, 08:05 AM // 08:05

I watched the price of Sigils go from 8k to 80k in about 2-3 weeks. I doubt inactivity is the only reason. HA had been dead for several months but sigils were still cheap.

mrmango · Jul 29, 2012, 09:02 AM // 09:02

Interesting. This reminds me of 2005. Is HA dead enough you can waltz in with a ragtag group and get to Hoh in one win?

Coast · Jul 29, 2012, 09:29 AM // 09:29

sold a few at 25ectos each yesterday

Fay Vert · Jul 29, 2012, 11:19 AM // 11:19

This is all part of early guild wars design that never worked. Same as favor, linking parts of the game to PvP activity. For new players entering the game it's fail mechanics. And like the de-linking of favor, the GH access should also be de-linked. Let new players experience the game they payed for, make them accessible, this game needs more invovlement and access in it's dying days, not less.

And while we are at it, do something about those stupid npc prices, skills merchent anyone? Which moron came up with that price tag?

**cosyfiep** · Jul 29, 2012, 02:49 PM // 14:49

my guild has been around since 05, we still dont have a guild hall--never saw a need for one. Unless you have a large guild I really dont see the need to get one either.

akelarumi · Jul 29, 2012, 04:06 PM // 16:06

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Thank you for your report Anvar. Slavic is correct here. The Sigil Traders can only sell as many Sigils as the players have sold them. If they have run out, Sigils can only be acquired by competing in the Heroes’ Ascent format or by buying directly one from a player who did. You can also check the trader again later and see if anyone has sold them any new stock.

John Foreman
Live Team QA
ArenaNet

Source: https://forum.guildwars.com/forum/fo...elestial-Sigil

Just wanted to relay this live team statement on the matter. Hopefully they fix it though cause I don't see market restoring in the near future and hope that GH's aren't going to be exclusive for guilds active in the past but also be available for newly forming guilds.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Jul 29, 2012, 05:09 PM // 17:09

yea, anet knows, but barely anyone does pvp, and they now use it as an advantage to get much more money for it

i hope they have another way to obtain them, like z coins (8 silver or 1 gold sounds decent)

normally i dont care about pvp stuff, but i DO care about my personal GH (i even made a suggestion about giving GH's an option to show pve versions)
i wanted to see the price, as i saw it some month ago or so, and it was very cheap, but now i didnt see any
i thought it was a bug first, but then realised its like runes and such, so you have to count on others in GW

that last part is something i dislike lately, as most people only prepare for GW2, quit, or just do some stuff for fun... but dont really like doing stuff (i need help with) which they already done several times

and tbh, i already thought these sigils were at the z coin traders (yes, i barely use z coins at all)

well, they did alot of good for everyone in the past (not counting some nerfs i disagree with) so they prolly come up with a nice idea later on... and if they have enough resources left to do alot in GW, they may do it anytime soon

Coast · Jul 29, 2012, 05:15 PM // 17:15

keep it how it is, they shouldn't need to hand everything out on a silverplate and chew it too.

**cosyfiep** · Jul 29, 2012, 06:46 PM // 18:46

well, if everyone who is playing pvp now moves over to gw2...there should be the ability for those of us left (pve players) to get thru a pvp match (against other pvp noobs) and possible get a sigil....

COULD happen----
(and I have some nice ocean front property in kansas for sale).

akelarumi · Jul 29, 2012, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by Coast

keep it how it is, they shouldn't need to hand everything out on a silverplate and chew it too.

Ow I agree, and the suggestion of 1 golden zcoin is way too low. if they would sell sigil's for zcoins then more like 100-200 golden zcoins would be appropiate (so you need an active guild with several member really making an effort to it).

I disagree though that they should keep it like it is. simply cause the demand/supply is so out of balance that it is nearly impossible to get a sigil without PvP-ing. And although I think PvP and specially HA should become active again and need promotion, forcing pvp like that on pve-ers is wrong imo. The system worked for many years and now it stopped working so hopefully it is fixed.

Captain Bulldozer · Jul 29, 2012, 06:59 PM // 18:59

If the cost is prohibitive and really want a guild hall, why not join a guild that already has one? As a guild leader myself who won a sigil though PvP and single-handedly bought every upgrade for the G.H. I don't see why sigils need to be made easier, especially with the number of nearly empty guilds out there with halls. If anything, the number of guilds has gotten so large that it might be best to consolidate down to a smaller number anyway.